“A half-truth is a whole lie”
Yiddish Proverb
Friday, October 1, 2010
Thursday, September 30, 2010
Quote of the Day
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you”
Friedrich Nietzsche quotes (German classical Scholar, Philosopher and Critic of culture, 1844-1900.)
Tuesday, September 28, 2010
Saturday, September 18, 2010
Why do people lie ? Want some acid in your face ?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/17/washington.acid.attack/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories)
Why do you lie ?
"...they had no reason to doubt their daughter's story -- as "any good parents would" -- until [she] confessed...."
Why do you lie ?
"...they had no reason to doubt their daughter's story -- as "any good parents would" -- until [she] confessed...."
Sunday, July 25, 2010
Histrionic personality disorder - this is probably it. Does this sound like you ?
Histrionic personality disorder
You have a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. You are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious.
American Psychiatric Association
You may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others. Associated features may include egocentrism, self-indulgence, continuous longing for appreciation, feelings that are easily hurt, and persistent manipulative behavior to achieve your own needs.
Characteristics
You are able to function at a high level and you can be successful socially and professionally. People with histrionic personality disorder usually have good social skills, but they tend to use these skills to manipulate other people and become the center of attention.[1] Furthermore, histrionic personality disorder may affect a person's social orromantic relationships or their ability to cope with losses or failures.
People with this disorder lack genuine empathy. You start relationships well but tend to falter when depth and durability are needed, alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation. You may seek treatment for depression when romantic relationships end, although this is by no means a feature exclusive to this disorder.
You often fail to see their own personal situation realistically, instead tending to dramatize and exaggerate your difficulties. You may go through frequent job changes, as they become easily bored and have trouble dealing with frustration. Because you tend to crave novelty and excitement, they may place themselves in risky situations. All of these factors may lead to greater risk of developing depression.
Can you tick any of these boxes ??
Additional symptoms include:
- Exhibitionist behavior.
- Constant seeking of reassurance or approval.
- Excessive dramatics with exaggerated displays of emotions.
- Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval.
- Inappropriately seductive appearance or behavior.
- Excessive concern with physical appearance.
- A need to be the center of attention.
- Low tolerance for frustration or delayed gratification.
- Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear superficial or exaggerated to others.
- Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are.
- Making rash decisions.
sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder
Lies and liars: psychiatric aspects of prevarication
Lies and liars: psychiatric aspects of prevarication
CV Ford, BH King and MH HollenderDepartment of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Little Rock 72205.
The authors discuss the phenomenon of lying, a common psychic process that has received remarkably little scrutiny. The ubiquity of lying and others forms of deception suggests that they have "normal" aspects, but lying which is persistent or destructive to the quality of a person's life becomes pathological. Lying has many determinants, including developmental, biological, social, and psychodynamic. Antisocial, histrionic, narcissistic, borderline, and compulsive personalities have been associated with lying. The treatment of lying needs to be individualized according to the overall symptom complex in which it is embedded.
Dr. Grubin is Professor of Forensic Psychiatry, University of Newcastle, and (Hon) Consultant Forensic Psychiatrist, Newcastle, North Tyneside, Northumberland Mental Health Trust, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK. Address correspondence to: Don Grubin, MD, Department of Forensic Psychiatry, St. Nicholas Hospital, Gosforth, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK NE3 3XT. E-mail: don.grubin@ncl.ac.uk
Lying is common, and in its many aspects forms a normal part of social interchange. In this issue, Dike et al. review the literature on what has been referred to as pathological lying, highlighting the lack of information available about this phenomenon. In this commentary on Dike et al., it is noted that if pathological lying exists, it is not the lie, but the liar that is abnormal, with the abnormality relating not to the nature of the lies told, but to the mental state associated with the behavior. Before forensic opinions regarding pathological lying can be given with confidence, we need more data to help determine whether it is in fact a psychiatric entity, and if it is, about the physical and psychological characteristics that underpin it.
Betrayal & Treachery
Betrayal of Trust
When a person feels that they have been betrayed, they may well seek some form of justice, putting right (at least for them) what they feel has been wronged, including their sensibilities.
Note that justice and fairness are different things and vary with context. From a personal view, justice means 'making me feel better'.
http://changingminds.org
Tricks and treachery
Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don't have brains enough to be honest.
College Hoaxers - a Trilogy
Episode One: Azia Kim
Episode Two: Adam Wheeler
Episode Three: Mystery fraudster.
Episode One:
Azia Kim
Azia Kim was, by all reports, a sweet, church-going Korean American girl with less than stellar academics at a high-achieving Orange County high school. She had told her parents she'd gotten into Stanford, and apparently had to keep up the ruse.
Episode Two: Adam Wheeler
Episode Three: Mystery fraudster.
Episode One:
Azia Kim
Azia Kim was, by all reports, a sweet, church-going Korean American girl with less than stellar academics at a high-achieving Orange County high school. She had told her parents she'd gotten into Stanford, and apparently had to keep up the ruse.
Imposter
An impostor or imposter is a person who pretends to be somebody else, often to try to gain financial or social advantages through social engineering.
wiki
Fraud
an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual
You have committed fraud.
You have committed fraud.
Lie
A lie (also called prevarication, falsehood) is a known untruth expressed as truth.
A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone's feelings or to avoid a punishment or repercussion for one's actions. To lie is to state something that one knows to be false or that one does not honestly believe to be true with the intention that a person will take it for the truth. A liar is a person who is lying, who has previously lied, or who tends by nature to lie repeatedly - even when not necessary.
A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone's feelings or to avoid a punishment or repercussion for one's actions. To lie is to state something that one knows to be false or that one does not honestly believe to be true with the intention that a person will take it for the truth. A liar is a person who is lying, who has previously lied, or who tends by nature to lie repeatedly - even when not necessary.
wikipedia
Manipulator - Hello my name is the manipulator - but who am i ?
Do you see yourself in this mirror ?
1. I lie
It is hard to tell if somebody is lying at the time they do it although often the truth may be apparent later when it is too late. One way to minimize the chances of being lied to is to understand that some personality types (particularly psychopaths(see note 1)) are experts at the art of lying and cheating, doing it frequently, and often in subtle ways.
2. I lie by ommision
This is a very subtle form of lying by withholding a significant amount of the truth. This technique is also used in propaganda.
3. I Deny.
Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.
4. I rationalize.
An excuse made by the manipulator for inappropriate behavior. Rationalization is closely related to spin.
5. I minimize
This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke.
6. I divert
Manipulator not giving a straight answer to a straight question and instead being diversionary, steering the conversation onto another topic.
7. I evade
Similar to diversion but giving irrelevant, rambling, vague responses, weasel words.
8. I covertly initimidate.
Covert intimidation: Manipulator throwing the victim onto the defensive by using veiled (subtle, indirect or implied) threats.
9. I guilt trip.
A special kind of intimidation tactic. A manipulator suggests to the conscientious victim that he or she does not care enough, is too selfish or has it easy. This usually results in the victim feeling bad, keeping them in a self-doubting, anxious and submissive position.
10. I play the victim role ("poor me")
Manipulator portrays him- or herself as a victim of circumstance or of someone else's behavior in order to gain pity, sympathy or evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. Caring and conscientious people cannot stand to see anyone suffering and the manipulator often finds it easy to play on sympathy to get cooperation.
11. I vilify the victim
More than any other, this tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defensive while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the manipulator.
12. I play the servant role
Cloaking a self-serving agenda in guise of a service to a more noble cause, for example saying he is acting in a certain way for "obedience" and "service" to God or a similar authority figure.
13. I seduce.
Manipulator uses charm, praise, flattery or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and give their trust and loyalty to him or her.
14. I project the blame (blaming others)
Manipulator scapegoats in often subtle, hard to detect ways.
15. I feign innocence.
Manipulator tries to suggest that any harm done was unintentional or did not do something that they were accused of. Manipulator may put on a look of surprise or indignation. This tactic makes the victim question his or her own judgment and possibly his own sanity.
16. I feign confusion
Manipulator tries to play dumb by pretending he or she does not know what you are talking about or is confused about an important issue brought to his attention.
17. I brandish anger:
Manipulator uses anger to brandish sufficient emotional intensity and rage to shock the victim into submission. The manipulator is not actually angry, he or she just puts on an act. He just wants what he wants and gets "angry" when denied.
Simon, George K (1996). In Sheep's Clothing: Understanding and Dealing with Manipulative People,
Note 1Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright.[19] Psychopaths also lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness. All of this belies their tendency to make a good, likable first impression. Psychopaths have a superficial charm about them, enabled by a willingness to say anything without concern for accuracy or truth. Shallow affect also describes the psychopath's tendency for genuine emotion to be short lived and egocentric with an overall cold demeanor. Psychopaths also have a markedly distorted sense of the potential consequences of their actions, not only for others, but also for themselves. They do not deeply recognize the risk of being caught, disbelieved or injured as a result of their behaviour.
Dadds, M. R.; Perry, Y; Hawes, DJ; Merz, S; Riddell, AC; Haines, DJ; Solak, E; Abeygunawardane, AI (2006). "Attention to the eyes and fear-recognition deficits in child psychopathy". The British Journal of Psychiatry 189: 280. doi:10.1192/bjp.bp.105.018150. PMID 16946366.
Saturday, July 24, 2010
Famous Liars series - James Frey
JAMES FREYAfter his autobiography A Million Little Pieces became a bestseller, thanks in large part to Oprah Winfrey and her book club, researchers discovered that Frey had fabricated key events in the book.
After much controversy, Frey appeared on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" for the second time on January 26, 2006 and claimed that the "demons" that had driven him to abuse alcohol and drugs were the same ones that had led him to invent events in his autobiography. Said Oprah, "I feel that you betrayed millions of readers."
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Frey
http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2008/12/8-famous-liars-of-day.html
Famous Liars series - Baron Munchausen
BARON MUNCHAUSEN
A German baron who served in the military and returned home with tall tales about his adventures. He reportedly told people that he'd travelled to the Moon, ridden cannonballs, and escaped from a swamp by pulling himself out by his own hair.
In 1951 Richard Asher first described the factitious disorder in which a patient will feign or simulate illness in themselves to gain attention and sympathy, a syndrome Asher "respectfully dedicated to the Baron, and named after him."
A German baron who served in the military and returned home with tall tales about his adventures. He reportedly told people that he'd travelled to the Moon, ridden cannonballs, and escaped from a swamp by pulling himself out by his own hair.
In 1951 Richard Asher first described the factitious disorder in which a patient will feign or simulate illness in themselves to gain attention and sympathy, a syndrome Asher "respectfully dedicated to the Baron, and named after him."
War as the Mother of Invention
Ady: --> So obfuscation leads to conjecture !!
July 8 at 4:06pm · Like ·
Phillip Hade: --> I think that you are getting the idea. This then leads others to assume involve themselves in these discussions around the topic of my choosing.
July 8 at 4:06pm · Like
Ady: --> What do you mean 'conjecture'.. that is an awefully long word isn't it ? ... pause... ok I just looked it up in the dictionary...
==> speculation: a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence);
So, what you are doing is creating a situation or point of debate without providing quite enough information to lead to a satisfactory end to the matter. This will in turn lead to further debate and in turn further conjecture.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define%3Aconjecture&sa=X&ei=nC02TKvWDtX2nAeC2LC1Aw&ved=0CBUQkAE
Phillip Hade: --> Well... you do have a point I suppose. However I think that I will just leave this one hanging in the air.
Yes, you may be right again. I mean that this will just lead to conjecture.
July 8 at 3:58pm · Like
Ady: --> So who is this Guy De Vosse ? You say that he is a fictional character created to "end a pursuit", but don't you
really mean to "pursue an end" ?
July 8 at 2:31pm · Comment · Like · See Wall-to-Wall
Phillip Hade: --> I see what you did there, very clever... 'created from the same mother', 'war'... war being the mother of
invention....smart...but not as smart as you think.
I would ask you to consider the following article, link included below. The article begs you to ask the question ‘Is war the
mother of invention or is invention the mother of war?’ before examining whether or not invention and war go hand in hand.
http://www.ingenious.org.uk/Read/Conflict/Waristhemotherofinvention/
Thursday, July 22, 2010
Welch Allyn Harvey Tycos Elite
I am looking to get hold of a Welch Allyn Harvey Tycos Elite. Do you know if I can it engraved ?
Pseudologia fantastica
Pathological lying is one of several terms applied by psychiatrists to the behaviour of habitual or compulsive lying.
"Pathological lying is falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of yearsor even a lifetime"
wikipedia.
Porky Pie
Well, I am not in a position to answer that. You'll have to work that out for yourself. However, I do ask you to consider all of the the facts. All things considered, despite the details.. in the absence of a smoking gun, the jury would stil convict you of being a habitual, compulsive liar.
The Cay
The only reference that you have is that you are a character from the 1969 Theodore Taylor novel, "The Cay".
Are you real ?
Poppycock
What you say may indeed be true, a Jack Merridew may be an atronaut, but taken against the background of everything else, it does strain the senses a little.
1. Why would anyone else have your I.D ?
2. Why would they have it for so long ?
3. Why could you not produce it before ?
4. Jack Merridew is a character from Lord of The Flies.
5. He does not appear to have a profile anywhere apart from arsing from you. He appears in no census reports.
Balderdash
Guy, you are starting to get a little out of hand. You can't just make things up. You will get called on it.
Jack Merridew is fictitious character.
Idiot !!
Guy,
You forgot to fill out the badges with your name. But yeah... this is clearly definitive proof... sigh...
Where is your ID now, do you have it on you ?Identification
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Now please... please.. please ...can we let the matter rest ?
Stages....
Guy... you just copied and pasted that straight out of wikipedia.
Anyone can do that. All the evidence is stacked against you. But I will give the benefit of the doubt if you can prove it to me.
Bullshit !!
OH come on !!!1. You have been sitting at home during the week.
2. You have been drinking and snorting till the early hours of the morning.
3. You don't even know how to fly a cub, let alone a space craft (not space ship !!).
4. You have never even once been seen ever studying for this supposed training.
Its true . I am not lying
I have been training intensively every day. What's more, I am going to be flying the space ship.
Astronaut my Ass
Guy, that is ridiculous !!
Yoiu have to go through years and years of intensive training. You have to be in peak physical shape and have the acumen to do it.
Yoiu have to go through years and years of intensive training. You have to be in peak physical shape and have the acumen to do it.
Astronaut
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I am training to be an astronaut. I have been doing this for the past couple of years. And guess what .... I am going to the Moon !!
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE LYING !!!!!
I browsed through an interesting book recently; "I know that you are lying", Detecting Deception Through Statement Analysis.
I know that it sounds like something that someone made up. But it is really true.
I know that it sounds like something that someone made up. But it is really true.
I Know You Are Lying will show you what to look for in a person's statement to determine if he is lying or telling the truth.
I don't really need a book though. All I have to do is ask a couple of questions. If the answers don't feel right, ask a couple more. If they don't feel right, then two more, and .... BAMMMM.
OK...found it...
A point to note
I noted with interest this blog and its rather melodic examination of Bullshit, lies, obloquy and deceit (need I go on).
Clearly, the symptoms are those of someone with a diseased heart. In order to examine why this lying takes place, one has to listen to the internal sounds of the body; an auscultation if you like.
Yours Kindly,
Dr. René Laennec
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Exposed
Guy, your chickens have come home to roost. Deception is like a magnet; eventually all hands, like needles on a compass, will point at you, exposed, naked. Only the truth remains.
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(Prestige Stealth Sprague Rappaport)
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A woman scorned
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Didn't you miss a bit... the bit about "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"... ??
The mourning bride
Vile and ingrate! too late thou shalt repent
The base Injustice thou hast done my Love:
Yes, thou shalt know, spite of thy past Distress,
And all those Ills which thou so long hast mourn'd;
Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd,
The base Injustice thou hast done my Love:
Yes, thou shalt know, spite of thy past Distress,
And all those Ills which thou so long hast mourn'd;
Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd,
Ridicule or Scorn
I am not sure that you don't mean "Scorn".
Scorn is a feeling of contempt or disdain for something or somebody considered despicable or unworthy.
Scorn is a feeling of contempt or disdain for something or somebody considered despicable or unworthy.
Ridiculous
Ridicule
What an interesting word;
Noun
ridicule (uncountable)
- derision; mocking or humiliating words or behaviour
Etymology
History
Guy De Vosse: --> I hate having to 'fess up to these things. But to be fair in my defense, I will only confess as a very
last resort.
Guy De Vosse: --> Again, fair comment, I behaved appallingl; I did not follow through on my promise through my own
disorganisation and self obsession, then I lied to try to save face.
Phillip Hade: --> CANT
12
Ady: --> you really are having a runt and ruve.
11
Ady: --> sorry meant to say "rant and rave"
11
Guy De Vosse: --> OK.. You are right. I admit it. I really screwed up, and then I lied about being out of pocket so as to
dress up the story and make me out to be the injured party.
12
Phillip Hade: --> Adrian, you are pussy footing around with this. Guy is bullshitting (according to Frankfurt), he did not
pay anything, he screwed up on this, and did not have the guts to stand up and own up to it. It is always the same... a
hysterical response is his favourite refuge. After all, no one wants to follow him there.
12
Ady: --> Well tell me how it does work ? To be fair, you alreAdy: --> admitted that this was a time critical event, anyone
can understand that. And how much were you left out of pocket ?
Guy De Vosse: --> It doesn't work like that...
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Ady: --> But then presumably, eventually you provided a written specification as to what was to done, agreed upon the amount
to be charged and established a timeline as to when the work was to be submitted to the client for approval, feedback and
rework ?
12 hours ago
Guy De Vosse: --> Well...things kinda got away from me. I did not really think about how time critical the marketing of
puppies is. I did not bother to contact my friend for a while. Then when I did contact them, it was in a bar and we had both
had a few beers. Sowe both forgot really...
12
Ady: --> Why did it take so long for your friend to set up the website and how much did he/she charge you ?
12
Ady: --> Guy, that is about right. It really does not take much longer than 10 mins to set up the website, and of course
anyhting between 2 minutes to an hour to add content (what you want to say). But anyone can do this. Phil is right about
this.
12
Phillip Hade: --> It took so long, that I had to go to someone else to have the website set up. It took 30 minutes to have
it set up.
12
Ady: --> Oh, what happened ... ?
12
Guy De Vosse: --> Phil, you are not telling the whole story. I was left out of pocket on that.
12
Guy De Vosse: --> I am so so offended by this... oh my oh my....
12
Phillip Hade: --> last time you got involved in this, you and your friend took so long setting the website up, the puppies
nearly died of old age.
12
Guy De Vosse: --> What do you mean 'disaster' ?
12
Ady: --> That would be great. I am sure that that would go well Phillip.
13
Guy De Vosse: --> I can help. I have a friend who does web sites.
13
Ady: --> Do you need any help selling them ?
13
Guy De Vosse: --> You are talking about the Puppies.
12
Ady: --> That is about right.
Tuesday at 11:19pm
Ady: --> His reasoning is that 'Bullshitters aim primarily to impress and persuade their audiences. While liars need to know
the truth to better conceal it, bullshitters, interested solely in advancing their own agendas, have no use for the truth.'
Tuesday at 11:09pm
Letsiwe Edwards likes this.
Ady: --> Frankfurt claims, "...bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are,"
Tuesday at 11:07pm
Ady: --> Sigh...Guy !!!! Wake up ! It is not made of cheese. Neil Armstrong did not prove that it was made of Cheese. I just
said Armstrong produced proof with a piece of cheese from his pocket...and you believed me... there are other explanations
as to how the cheese got in his pocket.... and besides, we have proved from o...
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Tuesday at 11:05pm
Guy De Vosse: --> So, it is true, the Moon is made of Cheese. I mean if Armstrong produced proof of it, then it is made of
cheese. Fact. I know it does not make sense, but it is possible. I mean with the lack of air up there, it would not go
mouldy. And it does look like a piece of cheese. It must be cheese.
Tuesday at 11:01pm
Phillip Hade: --> But, I still have my doubts...
Tuesday at 10:58pm
Phillip Hade: --> A whopper.
Tuesday at 10:57pm
Ady: --> it can't be proved right or wrong....but if Mr Armstrong on the 24th July, got back on dry land and pulled out a
piece of cheese from his pocket, and declared "The Moon is made of Cheese and here it is", then that would be a lie.
Tuesday at 10:55pm
Ady: --> so, if on 19th July 1969 I said "The Moon is Made of Cheese", you could turn around and say that I am spouting
Bullshit.
Tuesday at 10:51pm
Ady: --> '...a lie is demonstrably false, bullshit has no truth value -- that is, it is neither demonstrably true or
false.'
Tuesday at 10:49pm
Adrian and Maryjane Bennett are now friends.
Ady: --> He distinguishes bullshitting from lying.
Tuesday at 10:48pm
Ady: --> Phillip, have you read any of the work of Harry Frankfurt ? .. and no I did not make him up. He has written quite a
bit on Bullshit.
Tuesday at 10:47pm
Phillip Hade: --> Anyway, I have to run, the damn cat has just got pregnant AGAIN... a litter of 13. Still, the solution is
simple; "Water under the Bridge", if you get my meaning...
Tuesday at 9:36pm
Phillip Hade: --> I don't think I would describe myself as hard. What I offer is very straightforward.
Tuesday at 9:34pm
Ady: --> Phillip, you are a hard person.
Tuesday at 9:33pm
Phillip Hade: --> No... absolutely not. I will not do that. I don't want anything to do with people who lie. They can either
'fess up to it, and I will give them every opportunity to do that... or I don't want anything to do with them on an intimate
basis.
Tuesday at 9:31pm
Ady: --> Phillip, I think that you are too hard on Guy. Sure he does tell a whole lot of porky pies... but can't you just
let it slide... if it makes him happy and he is not hurting anyone else, why can't you let him get on with his fantasy ?
Tuesday at 9:28pm
Phillip Hade: --> bullshit
Tuesday at 9:22pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Are you calling me a liar ? I swear, I made this game up myself.
Tuesday at 9:21pm
Phillip Hade: --> But Guy.... you did not invent this game... it is called "Bullshit !"
Tuesday at 9:20pm
Phillip Hade: --> Guy... why would you say that.... I think that you made the rules clear... You lie your face off until you
are called on it..when some one calls out "BULLSHIT !!!".. then you come clean and act as the honorable liar.
Tuesday at 9:20pm
Guy De Vosse: --> well... the challenger... has to show his cards...to prove "the veracity of the player's claim"......
Phil, are you getting at something... are you trying to say something else...
Tuesday at 9:15pm
Phillip Hade: --> "Bullshit" meaning "I don't beleive what you are saying" ? And presumably sometimes the challenger even
has proof ( the challenger has 2 aces in his hand, and the layer claimed they were laying down 3)...what does the challenger
have to do then ??
Tuesday at 9:13pm
Guy De Vosse: --> well... in that instance... the challenger shouts out "BULLSHIT !!!!!"
Tuesday at 9:10pm
Phillip Hade: --> and what happens if you are challenged....
Tuesday at 9:08pm
Guy De Vosse: --> YES
Tuesday at 9:08pm
Phillip Hade: --> so...you lay your cards down, and lie (or not) about the cards being laid...
Tuesday at 9:07pm
Phillip Hade: --> again... sounds familiar....
Tuesday at 9:06pm
Guy De Vosse: --> The first player to get rid of all cards (and not lose a challenge on the final play) is the winner.
Tuesday at 9:05pm
Phillip Hade: --> Sounds familiar... so....let me get this straight... when you say 'challenge the veracity of the player's
claim'.... you mean to say that the one player laying the cards down can lie about what he is putting down... this is about
deception....isn't it..
Tuesday at 9:03pm
Guy De Vosse: --> This is a 'shedding-type' card game. The object is for the player to discard all the cards from their
hand. This is done by placing one or more cards, ostensibly of a stated value, on the discard pile. Others are allowed to
challenge the veracity of the player's claim about the cards being played.
Tuesday at 9:00pm
Phillip Hade: --> OK... I'll bite...how do you play ?
Tuesday at 9:00pm
Guy De Vosse: --> its brand new, when I say that someone taught me, what I mean is that I made it up and taught myself.
Tuesday at 8:53pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Someone just taught me a great card game...
Tuesday at 8:52pm
Lesley LeCoyte Gosh Adrian your wall makes for fascinating reading. Are these two guys ur friends?!!!!'
July 13 at 8:48am
Ady: --> What do you make of them ?
July 13 at 10:05am · Like ·
Lesley LeCoyte Definitely make for good reading. Should be on tv, make a great comic act, sorry guys!! R they gay per
chance? Anyway hope ur keeping well Adrian and all the other LeCoyte's around the world hello to u. Shall stay tuned to ur
wall......
July 13 at 10:36am · Like ·
Guy De Vosse: --> I Will defend my Vanity at all costs. I don't care whether I have to lie, cheat or steal. My vanity is
inviolable.
July 13 at 8:29am
Ady: --> What is for sure, is that at this rate, vanity is all that you will be left with.
July 13 at 8:23am
Guy De Vosse: --> My vanity is all that I have, I have to protect it.
July 13 at 8:23am
Ady: --> This whole mess with you and Phil is about your vanity. You have had your fragile sense of vanity challenged and in
turn you have behaved badly.
July 13 at 8:20am
Letsiwe Edwards Men behaving badly, lol.
July 13 at 11:32am · Like ·
Ady: --> You are deranged.
July 13 at 8:04am
Lesley LeCoyte Whose deranged?
July 13 at 8:18am · Like ·
Guy De Vosse: --> "How has this affected my friends ?" How can you ask that ? It is quite simple; I have been droning on to
all my friends about all my problems, they are affected by it because I neveer really let up on it to them. Therefore, I can
discuss it freely on facebook.
July 13 at 8:03am
Ady: --> Guy, How has this affected your friends ?
July 13 at 8:00am
Guy De Vosse: --> To be honest Adrian, I don't really give a monkets about airing this particular laundry in
public......I've been affected by something which in turn has affected my friends.....no one knows what we're talking abou
it's facebook....
July 13 at 7:58am
Ady: --> Phil / Guy .... can you please stop airing your dirty laundry in public
July 13 at 7:57am
Ady: --> Phil / Guy, you are going to have to cool it... I have people asking me what you guys are doing on my wall.... you
never listen to me anyway though..
July 11 at 10:55pm
Phillip Hade: --> I rest my case. You can't add character to yourself through asssociation.
July 11 at 9:13pm
Guy De Vosse: --> They found them vulgar and wierd.
July 11 at 9:09pm
Phillip Hade: --> And how did that work out ?
July 11 at 9:09pm
Guy De Vosse: --> I have taken friends home to my parents !
July 11 at 9:08pm
Phillip Hade: --> Oh Guy.. take a look at yourself. Better still, take a look at your friends ? Are they really who you want
to be ? Are they the friends that you take home to your parents ?
July 11 at 9:08pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Don't you dare speak about my friends like that. You can say whaatever you like about me, but don't say
that about my friends.
July 11 at 9:06pm
Phillip Hade: --> Guy, that is bull !! Sorry for the language but that is just bull ! You go crying to everyone and sundry
about how shit your life is and spin a story about how hard you had it, after you have found enough shoulders to cry on, you
will find a couple that don't shrug you off. Why ? Because they see that you fulfill a need in them, however shallow that
need.
July 11 at 9:05pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Phillip, I am not a fool. To prove it, I have friends who tell me how wonderful I am all the time, even
friends I haven't invented.
July 11 at 9:00pm
Phillip Hade: --> (Sigh)... Guy... they did not forget... they were 'suffering fools gladly'. But again, we are back to
Chesterton...
July 11 at 8:58pm
Guy De Vosse: --> well that is the craziest thing... they did not say anything...nothing... fools... I am so much smarter
than they are. I fooled them and they forgot all about the lie. They forgot about the tattoo.
July 11 at 8:53pm
Phillip Hade: --> So what happened in the end...surely they noticed that the tattoo did not go away...
July 11 at 8:51pm
Phillip Hade: --> of course you could say that. that is what you should have said. instead you lied to people. they remember
that, even when you have forgotten the lies you told.
July 11 at 8:50pm
Guy De Vosse: --> wait wait wait... WAIT !! I am not cracked. It was a legitimate response, I did not know what else to say.
After all, I did not have the gumption to come out and say, 'well I fucked up, I was stupid, and worse still it is
permanent'..
July 11 at 8:46pm
Phillip Hade: --> But Guy !!! Guy.... a henna tattoo fades and goes...that one didn't. How on earth did you think that you
would get away with telling a porky pie like that. I mean people were bound to find out. You are cracked !!
July 11 at 8:43pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Of course I lied, it has always help in the past, never let me down so far. In a pinch, back to the wall,
lie. In fact, even without my back to the wall....
July 11 at 8:41pm
Phillip Hade: --> You lied !!!
July 11 at 8:40pm
Guy De Vosse: --> I told everyone it was a Henna Tattoo.
July 11 at 8:40pm
Phillip Hade: --> Oh come on.. you are milking this... what did you do ??
July 11 at 8:39pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Simple. I did what anyone would do in that situation.
July 11 at 8:39pm
Phillip Hade: --> So what did you do ?
July 11 at 8:38pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Hmmm, i guess that when it comes down to it, it applied to him, and NOT to me. I mean he pretty well had
whatever he had through hard work and grind, grifting and grafting. He had alreAdy: --> done what he needed to, to get where
he was. He brought up 3 kids, fighting all the way, and fought every day. Me on the other hand, well I pretty much relied on
everyone else for everything I had.
July 11 at 8:35pm
Phillip Hade: --> What do you mean, he carried it better than you ? How can one person 'carry' a tattoo across their
forehead better than the next person ?
July 11 at 8:32pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Well it is hardly Kudos. Kudos is fame through some kind of achievement. I had not really achieved
anything. I was not so sure of myself, but I thought that if I had it tattoo'd across my forehead then it would remind me
that in this life I should only be looking out for numero uno, me. Besides, a friend got me to have it put on, he had the
same one in the same place. Somehow, though he seemed to carry it better than me.
July 11 at 8:30pm
Phillip Hade: --> WTF !! Why would you do that ?? Do you really think that ?? You are the only one that counts ? That is
quite a statement to make. You must have been pretty sure of yourself ! That is the ultimate self-indulgence. But declaring
it to the whole world !! Kudos !
July 11 at 8:26pm
Guy De Vosse: --> I once had a tatto on my forehead; it read "I am the only one that counts".
July 11 at 8:20pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Phew ! out last night on the piss. had a curry with a few friends.... anyway, to follow up on your
comment... there are two sides to every story... you think that she can do whatever she likes to her body, and he can say
whatever he likes about it.
July 11 at 7:42pm
Phillip Hade: --> well that is leading question. i think that there are individual circumstances that govern each and every
situation. It sounds as though Mel had an image of the woman as she was, when she changed herself, it changed his vision.
She could probably have changed her hair and had the same reaction.
July 10 at 1:31pm
Guy De Vosse: --> So, Philllip, you think that somehow Mel Gibson's comments were justified ?
July 10 at 1:26pm
Phillip Hade: --> Sigh
July 10 at 10:00am
Guy De Vosse: --> As for their reaction, well what would that matter, I did it for me not them. It is all about me.
July 10 at 9:59am
Gail Reaume geeze Adrian our these relatives of yours from England??
July 10 at 9:59am
Ady: --> Gail, I have no idea who these people are. I have begun to think that they are works of fiction. But they seem so
plausible.
July 10 at 10:02am · Like ·
Guy De Vosse: --> Of course it did not hurt. It's just cosmetic's loads of us have them done. No, I did not see the need to
tell my family. I thought that the less people that I told them better. Anyway, I wanted my new chest to become part of me
as if I had been born with them. It was kind of the same when I shaved my beard off...I did not tell anyone, and truly nobody noticed.. I mean they noticed, they said afterwards that they noticed something was different about me, but they
could not pin it down.
July 10 at 9:58am
Phillip Hade: --> When you had it done though... did it hurt. ? Did you think to tell your friends and family that you were
having it done ? How did you expect them to react ?
July 10 at 9:54am
Guy De Vosse: --> But it made me feel better about myself. My best friend had some new breasts, she liked them. Her
boyfriend bought them for her. I felt more like a woman. And yes, I did manage to pick up more 'fella's' as you call them.
Well... I did start to stay later at the bar's too, and did tend to get more of the really drunk blokes after all the good
looking self respecting / respected girls had gone home. Getting shagged by blokes who cared less for me made me feel
better. I felt like a quota was being filled.
July 10 at 9:44am
Phillip Hade: --> But Guy !! It just looked weird... you went from this flat chested normally proportioned man into a rather
...well... I don't want to say..
Suffice to say, I liked you more the way you looked before. Anyway, did it work ? did you feel better about yourself ? Did
you manage to pick up more fella's in the bar ?
July 10 at 9:38am
Guy De Vosse: --> Phillip, I know that you are just trying to be hurtful now. I needed them. I did not feel complete. I was
a big bosum'd bloke trapped in a flat chested boy's body. I knew that if only I could make my breasts bigger then people
would look at me in a different way. My insecurities would fade away. People would stop looking at me, the real me and
instead look at my chest."
July 10 at 9:31am
Ady: --> Whooaaa Phillip. You might be taking that a step too far. Speaking your mind is one thing, but speaking it out load
is another. You are best to leave that stuff to concealed sniggers. You have been warned.
July 9 at 10:04pm
Phillip Hade: --> Now Mel Gibson is a man who knows how to talk to a girl who has had an absurd breast enlargement who walks
around in tight dresses and low cut blouses, looking like a whore...
http://gawker.com/5583622/mel-gibsons-horrifying-phone-call-is-now-online
July 9 at 10:00pm
Ady: --> Honestly, you make some good points Phillip. I am still not sure that appeasement is not still the right policy. I
think that I am going to take a back seat. See where this bus goes.
July 9 at 4:01pm
Phillip Hade: --> I say, lets just have the truth.
July 9 at 4:00pm
Phillip Hade: --> After all trust is only required when the truth is questionable. "Trust in God" they tell us from the
pulpit, "Put your faith in God". Well 'trust' is only required when what you asking is,..well,....a bit far fetched.
July 9 at 3:59pm
Phillip Hade: --> Let me ask you a question. Instead of leading this merry dance of not asking the questions, or nodding our
heads to the lies, why don't we simply adopt a policy of calling out the lies. Soon, very soon, there will only be truth and
truthfulness. We can all lead a an open and honest co-existence based upon truth and not trust.
July 9 at 3:57pm
Phillip Hade: --> Well that is a platitude and a half !No, what I want to see is Guy admitting the lies, stop the
diversionary hysteria.And to go back to your assertion regarding who is the fool. The fool is me, I feel like the fool;
every time I have to swallow another lie, it sticks in my throat. Worse still we all have to do the same choreographed
dance.
July 9 at 3:54pm
Ady: --> So, you are going to pursue Guy until he confronts himself, falls on his knees and beg forgiveness for his lies and
deceit ?
July 9 at 3:51pm
Phillip Hade: --> Zipes has to be right in this, and in turn I am right in the same way that "sight becomes insight..
leading to action. This is the action.
July 9 at 3:51pm
Phillip Hade: --> ...which brings us back to the Emperor's new Clothes. Sure, you talk about Chesterton's 'insightfulness',
whilst Jack Zipes, suggest in "The Misunderstood Storyteller", that seeing is presented in the tale as the courage of one's
convictions; Zipes believe this is the reason the story is popular with children. Sight becomes insight, which, in turn,
prompts action.Sight becomes insight, which, in turn, prompts action.
July 9 at 3:50pm
Ady: --> I would not call you haughty, nor pretentious really. I will remind you though that G.K Chesterton analysed this
phrase with some insightfulness:
"It might be better, perhaps, to lay the stress upon the word “gladly,” and make our familiarity with fools a delight, and
almost a dissipation. Nor is it necessary that our pleasure in fools (or at least in great and godlike fools) should be
merely satiric or cruel."
July 9 at 3:25pm
Phillip Hade: --> I seriously don't want to appear haughty or pretentious, and this will come across as haughty and
pretentious...you know full well that this is a phrase used by Paul in his letter to the Corinthians (2.11:19) "ye suffer
fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise." You also know that this was sarcasm on Paul's part.
July 9 at 3:21pm
Ady: --> Well as it happens I do know that it means that one should look the other way, turn the other cheek, suck it up
when someone does something... know that they are the fool and not you. I am saying it because it is a simple way to end a
'situation' and move on and is nothing had happened. In this case the fool is Guy (no offense Guy !!).
July 9 at 3:13pm
Phillip Hade: --> Adrian you don't know what you are asking for. Firstly, you don't even really know what it means, Secondly
you don't know why you are saying it, Thirdly, who is the fool in this case ?
July 9 at 3:07pm
Ady: --> Well I am not asking for anything more than for you to "suffer fools gladly". For crying out loud can't you just do
that ? For me even. Even if it were just for me ?
July 9 at 3:03pm
Phillip Hade: --> Oh please !!! don't start. I have spent years placating in this respect.
July 9 at 3:02pm
Ady: --> Phillip, you could not have toned this down a bit could you ? I mean you have always got on with Guy, why now are
you exacting this kind of torrent.
July 9 at 2:59pm
Guy De Vosse: --> You are trying to tell me that I cannot see myself for what I am; that I am somehow a fraud, that I not
only delude myself but encourage all others around me to do the same, lest the bubble be burst and I am just me, plain old
me, nothing really particularly special. That somehow people have buoyed me up all my life and that I believed the charade
was real. I am just an ordinary person ?
July 9 at 2:45pm
Phillip Hade: --> No need to get sensitive... keep your hair on .... The Emperor's New Clothes ..
July 9 at 1:17pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Oh come on !!! I am not going there... Which HC Andersen story.... ? The little duckling ?? Bleat it out ?
July 9 at 1:16pm
Phillip Hade: --> You remind me a little of the Hans Christian Andersen story...
July 9 at 1:15pm
Phillip Hade: --> You can't recluse yourself !! Recluse is an adjective is a noun. Not a verb. But what I guess you mean is
that you are going to sulk until you get some attention or get the feeling that everybody has taken notice of your absence
and taken that to mean that you must actually be a deep and thoughtful person... moreso than everyone else.
July 9 at 1:13pm
Guy De Vosse: --> Really, I don't mind saying it, but I am going to recluse myself and contemplate.
July 9 at 12:55pm
Guy De Vosse: --> There is really no need for the insults. If you are not going to play nicely then I am not going to play
at all. Everybody made fun of me at school. For all kinds of reasons. Most of it just was not fair. And you making fun of me
just makes you not nice.
July 9 at 12:52pm
Phillip Hade: --> Guy, stop guessing. It is really quite pathetic. Did they call you "De Dross" at school ?
I talking about Tom Hanks in "The Polar Express". A story in which a young boy who does not believe in Santa takes a
midnight trip on a fantasy train to the North Pole to see Santa, but cannot hear the chimes of the Christmas bell, unless he
truly beleives.
July 9 at 12:46pm
Letsiwe Edwards Lmao Interesting wall Adrian!
July 9 at 11:24am via Facebook for iPhone
Ady: --> These guys are just going at it !!
July 9 at 11:54am · Like ·
Guy De Vosse: --> Then you are talking about Joe vs. The Volcano in which he plays a hypochondriac who agrees to commit
suicide by throwing himself into a volcano, on an island in order to appease the Gods. That must be it. Fantastic really,
but drivel.
July 9 at 10:57am
Phillip Hade: --> No, not Castaway...it is on the top of my head though
July 9 at 10:55am
Guy De Vosse: --> You do of course mean "Castaway".. the one set on the desert island in which the main character creates a
fantasy to keep sane, even to the extent of giving life to a soccer ball named "Wilson" to which he would talk and would
become his best friend, ending with the Hanks character escaping desert island and having to make a stark choice between
reality and fantasy ? That One, yes?
July 9 at 10:50am
Phillip Hade: --> Just close your eyes and wish... didn't you watch you wizard of oz or that film with Tom Hanks...
July 9 at 10:14am
Phillip Hade: --> I feel certain that if you believe in me, then what I believe in will come true.
July 9 at 10:13am
Phillip Hade: --> Now, I am upset. I still believe in Santa. I was told that as soon as I stopped believing, then Santa
would not be real anymore. I am not saying or admitting that anything I have said is not true... but why won't you just
beleive in me.
July 9 at 10:12am
Ady: --> When you make ridiculous claims, then that is insulting and needs to be addressed. You might be a fantastic person.
And you are, for sure. You are the epitome of fantasy.
July 9 at 10:10am
Ady: --> You are acting as if we care what you are doing. We don't. Really we don't, what we are really interested in, and
this is the nub of it, is that we find that it insults our intelligence.
Now, I am not saying that we, the rest of us that is, are clever. However, we don't claim to be smarter that what we are.
July 9 at 10:10am
Ady: --> Phillip you are now trying to bate me. You can keep your esotericism, but please don't flaunt it outside of your
circle in your same self centered lofty manner.
We, and I do venture to speak for the rest of us, being those outside of your haughty group find it childish.
July 9 at 10:09am
Phillip Hade: --> You are not part of our esotericism. I know that that makes you mad.
July 9 at 9:52am
Ady: --> Does the extra 'se' stand for 'special edition' ?
July 9 at 9:44am
Ady: --> Oops, sorry Phillip for spelling your name wrong. Spelt it with one 'l'. Which brings me to another question... Guy
I have come across others with the second name "De Vos", even with the first name as "Guy", but never "De Vosse" spelt with
'sse'... where does that come from ?
July 9 at 9:42am
Ady: --> Will Guy De Vosse and Philip Hade please stop having these hypothetical discussions on my wall, please !
Ady: --> So obfuscation leads to conjecture !!
July 8 at 4:06pm · Like ·
Phillip Hade: --> I think that you are getting the idea. This then leads others to assume involve themselves in these
discussions around the topic of my choosing.
July 8 at 4:06pm · Like
Ady: --> What do you mean 'conjecture'.. that is an awefully long word isn't it ? ... pause... ok I just looked it up in the
dictionary...
==> speculation: a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence);
So, what you are doing is creating a situation or point of debate without providing quite enough information to lead to a
satisfactory end to the matter. This will in turn lead to further debate and in turn further conjecture.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define%3Aconjecture&sa=X&ei=nC02TKvWDtX2nAeC2LC1Aw&ved=0CBUQkAE
Phillip Hade: --> Well... you do have a point I suppose. However I think that I will just leave this one hanging in the air.
Yes, you may be right again. I mean that this will just lead to conjecture.
July 8 at 3:58pm · Like
Ady: --> So who is this Guy De Vosse ? You say that he is a fictional character created to "end a pursuit", but don't you
really mean to "pursue an end" ?
July 8 at 2:31pm · Comment · Like · See Wall-to-Wall
Phillip Hade: --> I see what you did there, very clever... 'created from the same mother', 'war'... war being the mother of
invention....smart...but not as smart as you think.
I would ask you to consider the following article, link included below. The article begs you to ask the question ‘Is war the
mother of invention or is invention the mother of war?’ before examining whether or not invention and war go hand in hand.
http://www.ingenious.org.uk/Read/Conflict/Waristhemotherofinvention/
Phillip Hade: --> Sorry, for not getting back you sooner, I was away with the fairies.
July 8 at 4:13pm
Ady: --> Phillip, has anyone ever told you that you look a bit like Telly Savalas ? I mean mostly in the eyes and jawline,
but all the same, there is a kind of resemblance.
July 8 at 2:27pm
Ady: --> Who was that ? War ???
July 8 at 2:25pm
Phillip Hade: --> He is as real as I am. A strange story to tell, but we were created from the some mother.
July 8 at 10:25am
Ady: --> Hi Phillip. I am really glad that you could join us. I am sorry that I did not believe in you. I really thought
that you were a fiction of her imagination. A big lie. But of course you must be real, simply because you say so. Is Guy De
Vosse real too then ?
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